Dia Bondi 0:02
When you are clear about what matters to you and what resonates for you, you can ask. I'm going to go back to the platform, this whole podcast, which is you can ask for more of what you want so you can reach your goals faster.
It's incredible. Seems like a trick, but it's just, it's just that clarity. Exactly. It
Dia Bondi 0:19
seems like a trick. I love that. Hello, everyone, and welcome to The Dia Bondi show - a big huge, ginormous podcast for women and just about everyone who's got goals I'm Dia Bondi longtime leadership communications coach and creator project ask like an auctioneer and I'm so happy to be here today with my on air bestie Arthur Leon Adams the third aka baby a. I'm so happy to be here. I can tell you're big, huge robust, relaxed voice can get like it just beams excitement.
Lindsay Gordon 1:07
Yeah, yeah, that's as people always say.
Dia Bondi 1:10
Hey, listen, I'm so it's a Friday, we're recording on Fridays, it's foggy out. And I have to say like, I totally thought we were recording an hour from now. And so whatever. Like whatever situation, you know, recording on video, whatever situation this looks like is not on purpose. Sorry
Lindsay Gordon 1:26
about that. You know, we're just gonna get that spontaneous, you know, sparkling energy that you just have inside you.
Dia Bondi 1:35
I'm gonna do my sparkle. Pretty soon. In just a second. I'm about to sparkle. I'm ready. Just wait a second. I'm about to.
Lindsay Gordon 1:40
And yeah, it is. It is gray and foggy today. We actually turned the heat on this morning, which we haven't done in a couple weeks. What
Dia Bondi 1:46
I know and it's like may 28 we're recording today on May 28. Yeah, so what's going on today? Amanda is weird. And maybe folks who are listening have this sometimes when we just completed a big project, something actually you and I worked on together you produced for a project we did for a large brand around communication stuff that I do in my world. And we completed that, you know, the final deliverable was like, a day before yesterday. And we shot that off, and I'm now in between that and whatever's next. And I'm in that weird like, neither here nor there moment, you know, that feeling?
Lindsay Gordon 2:23
Oh, yeah, it's the low between projects. And
Dia Bondi 2:27
it is and it's like I was. It can sometimes be a little anxiety provoking for me. I mean, I have other things that are going on ongoing coaching engagements, and of course, you know, the pursuit of other projects, but we are in this like, just completed and just about to fire some other stuff up and, and get a few things in the bag. And it's just, yeah, it's that weird law. And I have to remember even though it's anxiety provoking, that this is actually the time to rest and reflect and kind of gather myself again. You know, I like working in Sprint's you know, folks, maybe listening, notice that they sort of are marathoners, right? Where are we just sort of, we have ongoing work that we always do, it's sort of always a similar rhythm. And we are laying, you know, we're laying our work down in layers. And then folks like me who work in a series of sprints, which I really love. And I don't know why I still get a little anxious between those spreads when I know that's how I like to work. And it's a recognizable feeling. I always feel like, Oh, no. And then I have to remember like, Oh, no, this is just the time like this is when you go for a walk. This is when you sit in the courtyard. This is when you get to do some working on my business instead of working in my business. This is when I get to like learning something new. This is when I get to like, widen my gaze a little bit. So that's what's happening for me right now.
Lindsay Gordon 3:49
Yeah, I'm kind of the same way and my career is kind of the same way where I yeah, I have these Sprint's and then I have the lols. And I think that Yeah, they in the past, they've been really anxiety producing for me, but I've got
the laws below.
Yeah, well, because it was like my entire financial situation rested on me hustling, some more work. It wasn't just that there was a lull and I knew a project was coming. It was like there's a lull and I've got nothing yet and I gotta hustle for something. But I settled more into a rhythm of knowing that certain projects and work were coming and it made me less anxiety filled during those times.
Dia Bondi 4:31
I find that that is, you know, I noticed because my work is also sort of cyclical that way. You know, I have I do even in those moments where I'm like, Oh, no, I just finished something. Now what do I do and it can be anxiety provoking to I've been in the second half of my or I'm sort of in the middle part of my career. I'm starting to relax a little bit and doing things like actively trusting that the next thing will come or the next you know, the project will kick off with The next project, even if we haven't already confirmed it will kick off at the right time. And just sort of trusting that this is the nature of the work, you know, nothing's wrong, nothing's broken. You know, I'm not not moving fast enough. This is just to be in harmony, in the noticing of sort of the natural, the natural way, rhythm of the way that I work in the world that I work in works, you know what I mean? Like, just just trusting that?
Lindsay Gordon 5:30
Yeah, it's hard to do. Yeah, took me a long time,
Dia Bondi 5:34
especially when, especially when we're you know, we live in a culture of use, use the word hustle, where like, if you're, you know, there's a little bit of a, there can be a perception that if we're not, if we're not foot on the gas pedal to the metal, that something's wrong, you know, that we're, that we're, you know, we're not good enough, ambitious enough, aggressive enough. I don't know, focused enough, defined enough, all that. And, you know, rest, rest is a really important part of the whole cycle. So yeah, and it's interesting because today, we're actually gonna have a guest who is a career coach and you know, deals a lot I think, with folks anxieties around their work life and how it fits into their whole life. So maybe relevant they were talking about this today, the quote unquote, work life balance. I don't know if she talks about work-life balance. I mean, I think work life balance is garbage. I think it's, you know, we're never it's, it's, it's a seesaw, it's always changing. It's very alive. But I think more like work is part of your life. Like I think more like work life self integration. That's how I think about it.
Lindsay Gordon 6:46
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Dia Bondi 7:13
Lindsey is a career coach for analytically minded people who want to stop doing what they think is right in their careers and start doing what's right for them. She helps people get clarity about what's right for them in a job and why she helps them get confident about their skills and abilities and helps them be able to communicate that to interviewers, managers and colleagues so they can get what they want. While she loves applying her engineering brain to help people find a career that fits. She also loves baking complicated pastries. And check this out. barbershop singing three places see Chicago and New places to live in Minneapolis and St. Paul. Places Miami, as in Chattanooga and Montreal. So Lindsay, I'm so happy to have you here with me. Thank you for saying yes to coming on to The Dia Bondi Show, a big huge podcast for women and folks with goals. I love it. I am so happy anytime I get to chat with you. So great. So you run, you're the You are the life of options, lady, you know, and I want to start by like this is not even related maybe to the content, but like, what the heck, I had a different word in my script. But what the heck is up with the pressure, we have to have a certain kind of life when we think about our careers and our ambitions. What's up with that? Is that a thing?
It is a thing, and it is the worst? This is where I actually start with all of my clients. What pressures do you feel? Because there are so many and I like to play this game called pressure bingo that doesn't have any winners, where I share the top eight pressures that I hear again and again and again and again, that everybody thinks it's just them. And then my clients get to say, Oh, I definitely feel a solid six out of eight of those. So I'm just like, yep, we're swimming in the soup of pressure. And that is why we have trouble listening to ourselves. That is why we have trouble going off the you know, I want this shiny job path. So there is so much pressure
Dia Bondi 9:33
Yeah, I love it. I started with this because I know you as someone who I think you would have had some exchanges about like you get to want what you want, and cutting through all the noise of what everyone else wants for you. And everyone can be just you know, like a, an enigmatic general pressure or it can be an actual voice of a person, your manager, your parents, your boss, your partner, your whomever but I very first episode, I think at the Dia bond show we talked about, like, what is the ambition to you? You know, it's it's not, it is not there is not like, these are the three kinds that you know you can have, but like ambition for some folks could be living simply, in other cases, it could be, you know, traveling around the world in some cases like it is so uniquely personal. But it's really hard to get into a relationship with that. So can you fire off some of those eight?
Yes. So this is a great test. I should have it figured out by now. And everybody else, I'm behind everyone else. Behind what Yeah, behind behind where you should be, you know, yeah, just general pressures. My job is my identity, and it defines me, I should be farther along in my career, given my age. I shouldn't give up this path, because I have spent so long going in this direction. So kind of like, there's no chance for me to change. Those are the couple that stand out to me. What's interesting
Dia Bondi 11:05
to me about all of those is that, you know, is this unique? Or the question that I have is, is this unique? This is not one of the questions I planned. But as someone who knows, I'm 47 years old, and I was teasing myself on a call yesterday, about you know, in my life, I basically, I didn't have a job until my 30s. And I only had a job for about three and a half years right around the time Arthur I met you, I was jobbing it. And in my quote, unquote, career, and I the things that you're talking about, do you find that these belong only to folks who have sort of in house careers and manage their careers? Or do you find that it's also for folks like me, who are who have been, you know, out of house, living sort of an independent professional life, I
i would say most of the folks that I work with are jobbing it. But I think that there are pressures for all kinds of situations that you might be in. So I don't think anyone's exempt. But they, it's possible that it might look a little bit different. And I think it also changes based on the stage of your career that you're in. So I have clients that range from probably in their 20s to 68. And it's interesting to see what are the different pressures that affect you at different times. Sometimes you're over like the other one is I have to constantly be moving up. And you know, up into the right in my career. And at some point, you're like, yeah, I felt that a while ago. But now that I'm, you know, approaching the later years of my career, I care less about that. So it's interesting to see the different phases where they show up.
Dia Bondi 12:39
And those pressures are, you know, sometimes they are very explicit, I had I had a discovery call not long ago with a potential client who said directly to me in the call, you may not be a junior analyst here for longer than, you know, x period of time, if you're not, if your career is not moving up into the right, you don't get to be here anymore. So it's very, you know, that pressure is real. And you know, we're not going to change that system. But what does that mean to your clients who recognize the gap between the messaging that they're getting from the context that they're in? And what actually matters to them?
Yeah, I think it's the agency. Right? When you have the choice to say, Oh, interesting, I do not care about climbing the ladder. That's not what growth and development looks like for me, then you could make a choice and say, I think this environment is not a fit. And when we say that is a very different experience, than when we say, wow, this is really a personal failure for me. Why don't I want to climb the ladder? Why does everyone else want to, and we get so stuck in like, well, I guess I can't hack it. Or this is a weird personal failure. Whereas when we can shift to, oh, this is not aligned with what I actually choose. There is so much power in that
Dia Bondi 14:01
when you work with someone and they have that realization, when they recognize I like I'm getting choked up even talking about it. When they recognize that life is like the life of the world I'm actually crying. Do you see this? This is crazy. When they recognize that their work ambitions, you know, ingesting the messages and the pressures are misaligned to who they actually are when they see it, and they start to name it and claim it. Like what is that experience for them. And for those of you listening, maybe you're in that right now.
It's unbelievable. It is freedom. It is self honoring, like I definitely have goosebumps. I remember one woman who almost whispered to me, she was like, I think I don't actually get all of my meaning and purpose and drive from work. And I've never been able to say that and she was Just on a leash, she got to show up at work and bring her best and enjoy it to some extent. But she no longer felt like work has to be everything to me. And she could spend more time on herself and she could spend more time with her family, you can she could spend more time on her hobbies. So it is something that goes off in people. And they're just like, oh, life has changed, like night and day, I get to interact differently with work.
Dia Bondi 15:32
Is there ever a sense of loss in that? Or is it all really more freedom? Are they two sides of the same coin?
I don't know if there's always loss. But I think they often can be, I have a woman who is kind of in the latter stages of her career. And she really figured out that at this stage of life, she wants to be able to spend more time with beauty, contributing with taking care of herself. And she made this really bold ask of negotiating a part time job. And the company made it happen. And she was she feels awesome. She never knew that this would be possible. She had no plans to make this bold ask. And she was like, I'm sad. Like she was making the decision. She knows that it's right for her. And there's grief in that transition, and saying what was she grieving? I think the in some ways it can feel like a demotion. You know, when we choose to step off the ladder, or the more more and more. And it can sometimes feel like am i doing the right thing? I'm taking a step back, I'm doing less hours, how are people going to perceive me? What kind of opinions are people going to have? And so I think it does often take something and there is some kind of mourning those transitions and what you hoped your job would have been to, or what your job has been to you, while still knowing that it's the right thing for you.
Dia Bondi 17:12
I love that you're pointing to you know, she made it. To me when I think about helping you know, women and folks who are underrepresented in their industries, ask for more and get it more is often less, if you look at it from that perspective of asking for more time in my life, asking for more spaciousness, asking for doing more of what I love and less of what I don't asking for more freedom, asking for more autonomy, which is less constriction, you know. So when I think of asking for more and getting it, it's not like a net more, it can actually be a net less. But you end up with more of what's aligned to what you actually want and need in your life and career. So, yes, I just wanted to name that what you're pointing to? Well, it was less work, maybe in her job, it was more of her life on her own terms or more of something that mattered? Yep.
And then we get to see the work as a part of life.
Dia Bondi 18:13
Is it often when you work with folks, and they get clear about what they want? Because I think there's an assumption that, you know, if I'm working with a career coach, that means I'm going to leave my job, I'm going to leave my career, everything's going to be different. And I'm curious, is that true?
This is my favorite finding of my entire business. So a little while ago, I crunched the numbers. Because I was curious, I was thinking about doing more work with a corporation. And I was like, Huh, if I go into companies and say, I want to work with your people, and everybody leaves, that's pretty awkward, right? That's not going to be good for business. So I looked at the numbers, and I looked at the number of people who were coming to me for a job at that moment. And normally, when people come to me, and they're like, I'm about to rage quit any day, I'm done with this job, I'm done with this company, I'm done with this field, I am ready to burn it down. And of the people who came to me in that state, more than 50% of them are in the same exact situation. By the time we've finished working together with zero external circumstances changing zero, it is wild. And so it happens again and again and again and again. And people can have such a different experience of what work means to them, of how it aligns with their strengths, have pieces that they were hyper focused on seeing them as downsides, as understanding what does this job mean to me at this phase of life, and it doesn't mean we don't candy code in my world. So it doesn't mean everything. It's perfect. And I'm gonna be here for the rest of time. But it's very calm and grounded. Oh, I actually understand a little bit better about what I'm looking for with all the expectations that I was putting on my job. And I see how this is actually a good fit for me right now. And gives me time to maybe look for the next stepping stone that is going to get closer. So I'm accidentally running an employee retention program, which is very confusing and wonderful to me.
Dia Bondi 20:32
So in some ways, it can be that nothing changes and everything changes.
Yeah. And that's great news, if you're scared of making a big change, or financial security is a big value of yours. So I never want you to do anything that feels super risky to burn it all down to feel like you don't know what's next. And so if you can find some peace in your current job, as long as it's not actively bad for you, right, we always check for that. We don't want you to be making something a fit. That's not a fit. But so often people can find more of that, that freedom and that calm.
Dia Bondi 21:08
So what was it like for you? Because you were an in house professional and working? I think in an engineering function? No. And then you made a transition yourself? Like, can you talk about that
With us, I love to be very clear about my path. Because sometimes people will say, Oh, you quit your duck, you, you quit your job and did your passion, right? That's a very easy, pressure filled way to tell the story. So I like to be very clear that I have fallen into all three of my job transitions. They were not intentional. They were not five year planned out. But I followed all these little things that were interesting to me. So I started off in engineering, I completely fell into technical support. And then I completely fell into running my own business. And people often ask, you know, oh, did it feel really risky? to do your own thing. And it's interesting, because I think we often Connect riskiness with entrepreneurship. And yet to me, I found it very not risky, because I had tested it out in all of the ways that I knew how to before making the change. And this is something I tell clients all the time, test it out in whatever way you can. So while I was working at Google, doing technical support, I had my accidental side business pop up. And so I tested it that way, that I actually moved to a different role internally, doing career development to see if I liked that. And so by the time I made my transition into full business ownership, I was like, Oh, yeah, I know that this is interesting. To me, this is aligned with my values, I'm really jazzed about the work. And so it felt delightfully non risky. And I do want to point out, I do have the privilege of a partner with a full time salary. And that is a very real privilege when we talk about doing our own thing. So I always like to be clear about that, too.
Dia Bondi 23:09
So what, what, when you work with folks, and they get what they want, like, whether it means they made a career change internally, they move to half time, they stepped up on their own, they change nothing at all. When they actually find that alignment. How do they know they've gotten what they want? And then what
I like to say there is a lack of the whirlwind of chaos. Because when we don't know what we want, and let's say a recruiter calls with a shiny job, and the recruiter is like, Hey, you should want this job. And then immediately the whirlwind of chaos shows up, and we're like, oh, my gosh, do I want that job? I should want that job. Anybody else would kill for that job. Oh, my gosh, but why don't I want it? And then it's like existential questioning and we're out, we're done, our energy is gone. And so when we are in a place where we have clarity, where we have certainty, where we have confidence about what's right for us, you get to say, very easy, yes, and very easy nose. And you get to retain all of your energy, so that when that recruiter calls, you get to say, thank you so much for reaching out. That job is actually not a fit for these specific reasons. And what I'm looking for is this, that and the other. So if you have opportunities like that, I would love to hear about it. So when people do that, for the first time, they're like, did I just do it? What just happened? Like, is it that easy, and you know, it can be that easy once you get incredibly clear. So that's how you know you're there. There's a very distinct lack of chaos and then from there You get to keep cultivating opportunities. So you get to share about what's important to you, and what you're looking to create more of
Dia Bondi 25:09
at work. And is that that is that the component of being able to communicate to your team's potential employers, you know, new projects that come on deck that you could possibly engage with at work, because it's not just about job or role, it could be projects you take on or initiatives, you know, the role you play in an initiative internally, how you position yourself with others. So that clarity becomes a platform to communicate externally, like outwardly, so that you can get more of what you want and fend off what you don't.
Yeah. And I'll give you one short example, I had a client who discovered that she loves public speaking, connecting with stakeholders and presenting in front of a team. And so she said exactly that to her manager, I would love to do more of that, if you see it. And then her manager starts running defense for her and connecting her to opportunities to present and speak in front of stakeholders. Sometimes it can be that easy that when you identify what you want, communicated to your manager, they can then support you to find those opportunities.
Dia Bondi 26:13
And in my world, that sounds like an ask, you know, so folks who listen to this podcast know that, you know, since I launched project asked like an auctioneer, and instead of looking at all the work I do through just a communications, leadership, communications and voice, you know, lens, looking through strategic asking, you know, the asks that I noticed folks make can fall into those four categories, they are money, sure comp, you know, whatever your freelancing rates or salary, it's authority, which is, you know, power over decisions, maybe in your existing role, or maybe that means comes to the promotion, but doesn't necessarily have to be another one is influence. And what you're pointing to are like, somebody who is shines in a position where they were, they are an influential voice in the room, I mean, standing in front and of a room and presenting to a group is inherently an influential position to be and also, by the way has, you know, implicit authority in it. Like, those are the kinds of strategic assets we can make to help get us not just because we love doing that thing. But that also helps us reach can be a tool for reaching other goals as well. So when you are clear about what matters to you, what's resonant for you, you can ask for, I'm gonna go back to the platform, this whole podcast, which is you can ask for more of what you want, so you can reach your goals faster.
It's incredible. It seems like a trick, but it's just, it's just that clarity.
Dia Bondi 27:35
I love it. Exactly. It seems like a trick. I love that. So when folks who might be listening are starting to really get that twinge of, I'm not I'm not, I'm not in the right spot. I'm not living in alignment with who I am, I'm miserable, I'm getting that whisper of like, I don't want to tolerate this anymore. I don't like, where do they start,
I think it goes back to the pressures is always where I have people start is if they can make a list of all the pressures that they feel all the expectations that they feel my career has to, I should have to, it makes the most logical step for me to Xyz, my family thinks I should my culture thinks I should. And if you can write those out, sometimes even just seeing the list is quite moving for people. Because they're running around in your head being pretty mean in there. And if we can get them out, it makes a little bit more room for you to listen to those like, okay, but what do I want? And I have a sense that this isn't it. So that's always where I have people start
Dia Bondi 28:56
beautiful. This is you know, for those of you who might be listening, who are not maybe an in house, career professional, but work as a consultant or freelancer, or you're building your own small business, you know, for me, what's what just what keeps coming up for me is a conversation I had with a potential client last year. We were on a call and it was a head of learning and development in combination with her with his program manager. Interestingly, she knew about the project Ask Like An Auctioneer, which is so wild. Yeah, I know. And like we didn't even have anybody in common. I don't know how we ended up getting connected. Anyhow, we're in a conversation and I'm talking about my leadership communications coaching work and the workshops I do around that as well as you know, the work I want to continue to do to elevate women. And he was asking about something related to communications and I said, You know what, I'm actually not me. that's not the part that I do. It feels like it's in the field of what I do. But here let me be really clear. About the part where I have an impact. And he was actually taken aback by the fact that I, as a coach, told him what I don't do. He said, I mean, 1000s of coaches who say, I can do that, I can do that, I could do that, I can do that. I can do that. And pretty soon, I don't know what they actually do. And I can't trust that they're good at any one of those things, because they do such a broad field of things. And it was interesting, because in that moment, I had a choice, because could I have done the things he was asking? Absolutely, I could figure that out, I can figure anything out. So many of us can, so many of us can do so much stuff. And it was a little moment of alignment, a choice to align with who I actually am. Commit to the thing I want to do more of, position myself as not the person who is able to do anything, but instead the thing that I want to do most of and it took a little courage for me to say I don't do that's not me. But the outcome was actually more trust in the relationship with the person I was talking to, because I was able to stand up for what the yeses are, and what the noes are, which helped focus our relationship, and what kind of impact we could have together. So, you know, that's what comes up for me as an outsider, not an insider career. person.
Yep. There's so much honoring in that and honoring for you, and honoring for him. And yeah, does, it creates a big impact, I often have that experience, when I, I will often try to tell people on you know, my consultation calls like, Oh, I'm definitely not the right fit for this reason, that one, this one, you can, you know, say why you think I might be the right fit. But I will always share when I am not the right fit, and try to get you connected to the right person
Dia Bondi 31:45
that goes so far. And just for me, when you talk about retaining energy and your life and career in your work, that is very confidence producing, and energy retaining to be able to put those boundaries around what you say yes. And what do you say no to Lindsay, how do folks work with you?
Well, I have two options. So one is I have a brand new course, which I am so excited about called job search synergy. And if you are currently in a job search, if you are at the stage of evaluating offers, if you are hovering around a job search and asking, should I do I need to quit all of those questions. This is the course for you. It helps you have this really clear and confident and powerful job search where you get to make decisions that feel good to you. And the other way I work with people is a three month intensive individual coaching program. I am doing less of that these days, because I do not have enough hours in my day to work with everybody. So of course it is a great option, if you like a self paced environment, but I also work with people one on one. And you can find me at a life of options.com or also connect with me on LinkedIn. I share a lot of fun client stories that people are discovering. I post about once a week. So I would love to connect with people there as well.
Dia Bondi 33:21
Excellent. So I also saw that you are giving a 15% off for listeners of The Dia Bondi Show if they use code, do Bondi show for your online course?
Yes, yes. Yes, yes. So I would absolutely love for you to take advantage of that. Get some clarity and some confidence and have an unbelievable job search with Epic results that you can't even imagine are possible yet.
Dia Bondi 33:48
Lindsey, it has been nothing but delightful to have you on the D one D show. Thank you so much. And I know that our listeners are going to get huge value from listening to your sort of beautiful and space holding voice around helping folks live a life of options. Why do I get all choked up all the time? It's crazy. It is crazy. Oh, it's all the time really meaningful. It is all the time, even with my clients or my communications coaching clients when they find a voice that rings true for them. And it has an impact in the room. I like to just lose it. But I'm like here, I'm not losing it. I'm just here and also recognizing that this is to me, this is all about, you know, being able to live who they are in a way that is truly who they are. Period.
Yeah. Which is better than that? That's so meaningful and beautiful. And if I could say one other thing, I would add that it is not easy to do what is right for you. And so I never wanted to just be yourself at work and you know everything is going to fall into place. So I always like to call out. There are a lot of systemic barriers in the workplace that are going To get in the way of you doing what you want, and that's going to look different for different people. So it's going to look different for immigrants and people with accents, it's going to look different for parents and caregivers, it's going to look different for black people and people of color, it's going to look different for trans people. And so as we are talking about, do what is right for you and also just want to name that and invite you to find your agency within those systems, because the systems are real, the systems are there, there are a lot of barriers. And there's a lot of power if you are able to find your agency. So I just like to add that in the beautiful story of finding what works for you, knowing that there are going to be barriers, but where can you find your agency? So that was fantastic. Yeah, she's cool.
Dia Bondi 36:00
She's super cool. And I just, I love it, that she's so clear that she says she's, you know, career coach for analytically minded people. And, you know, I just my favorite part of that whole thing is that, you know, over half of the folks that she works with, she's a little more than half the folks she worked with, never end up changing jobs, but they have a whole new sense of alignment. It's just great. Would you take it away?
Lindsay Gordon 36:26
Well, you know, there's a lot of things, especially the things she was talking about, at the beginning, where she goes in and she has all the eight questions or whatever the eight things that people always think. And you know, you both talked a little bit about how maybe it's a little more common in people that are in house places, because they feel like they're not in the right at the right rung in the ladder in their career. But I've felt a lot of those things over the years, especially in my 20s, when I was trying to make it with my band, and just, you know, feeling like I wasn't at the place that I should be at a lot of places that were aligned with where I wanted to be. So luckily, I had that. But, you know, as you go on, you just have to start redefining what it is you want out of your career over and over and over again. Because, you know, it's hard to achieve the pie in the sky kind of things that I wanted to achieve in music and filmmaking and stuff. So you redefine what you want about it.
Dia Bondi 37:22
Yeah, there's I love that point that it's, it is like our lives are living, breathing, changing things constantly. And there's new, I always, this question that comes up for me all the time is like, Who am I now? Who am I now? How about now? How about now? What matters now? How about now? Now? What matters? You know, because things are, I'm in a relationship with new people and new things. As you know, I'm growing and evolving all the time. So, um, and you know, how we think something might work out or how an achievement might feel or something we want to do may not, you know, play out or have the experience, lived experience that we imagine our mind so we have to of course correct. And, you know, there's like, none of that's wrong,
Lindsay Gordon 38:07
right? Yeah, I mean, 10 years ago, I wanted to be on tour six months out of the year and just make all my living from playing music. And now I'm like, barely, oh,
Dia Bondi 38:17
yeah, I can barely get you off for noodles at this point, you know. Alright, listen, I loved being with you today. I love being with Lindsey. And for folks who are listening. We're so glad you're here. And stay tuned. Yeah, we'll see you next time. This Podcast is a production of Dia Bondi Communications and is produced and music by Arthur Leon Adams the third aka baby a. You can like share rate and subscribe at Apple podcasts, Google podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your favorite podcasts. Find us at Dia Bondi comm or follow us on Instagram at the Dia Bondi show. Want to shoot us a question for the show. Call us at 341-333-2997